What happens when following Jesus becomes more about maintaining the institution than actually being the body of Christ? Brandon and Lindsy sit down with returning guest Jonathan Brenneman for a provocative conversation about church, authority, leadership, supernatural ministry, and the difference between spectator Christianity and active discipleship. Drawing from his years of missionary work in Brazil, Jonathan shares stories of healings, deliverance, evangelism, and encounters with the Holy Spirit that often happen far outside traditional church services—in homes, neighborhoods, recovery houses, restaurants, barbecues, and everyday life.

Together they challenge hierarchical models of church leadership and explore what the New Testament actually portrays when believers gather: shared meals, dialogue, spiritual gifts, mutual edification, and the participation of the whole body. The conversation moves into tithing, institutional structures, servant leadership, the priesthood of all believers, women in ministry, house churches, spiritual authority, and the dangers of allowing tradition or position to become more authoritative than Scripture. Ultimately, Jonathan calls believers not simply to leave something behind, but to recover a participatory Christianity where every believer is equipped to follow Jesus, serve others, speak the Word, and carry the presence and power of God into ordinary life.

Website/blog: GoToHeavenNow.com

Email: Jonathan@GoToHeavenNow.com

00:00:28 – Welcome Back Jonathan Brenneman
 00:02:27 – From Missions to Rethinking Church
 00:04:55 – Healing, Miracles & Life Outside the Program
 00:07:20 – Tithing, Grace & Leaving Institutional Expectations
 00:09:41 – Ministry in the Streets of Brazil
 00:12:00 – Manipulation, Money & the Spirit of Religion
 00:14:22 – When Church Consumes the Mission
 00:16:38 – Moving from Spectator to Participant
 00:18:59 – The 59 “One Another” Commands
 00:21:25 – Spiritual Gifts Around the Table
 00:23:51 – Why Every Member Matters
 00:26:10 – Rethinking Leadership & Authority
 00:28:31 – Servant Leadership and Decentralized Church
 00:33:16 – Does Authority Come from Position?
 00:35:38 – Miracles Outside the Church Walls
 00:37:57 – Is Revival Simply Normal Christianity?
 00:40:16 – Receiving Jesus Through His Body
 00:42:42 – Does Restricting Participation Quench the Spirit?
 00:45:04 – Love, Miracles & Everyday Evangelism
 00:47:25 – Evangelism at Carnival
 00:49:43 – From Miracles to Making Disciples
 00:52:07 – Worship, Friendship & Christian Community
 00:54:29 – House Church, Heresy & Hierarchical Control
 00:58:47 – Why Participation Helps Test Teaching
 01:00:32 – Leaving Without Becoming Bitter
 01:02:47 – Finding Biblical Fellowship
 01:05:06 – Women and the Priesthood of All Believers
 01:09:46 – Do Women Have a Priestly Duty to Speak?
 01:11:58 – Women, Authority & Difficult New Testament Passages
 01:14:21 – Phoebe, Junia & Women in Leadership
 01:16:39 – Why Jesus Appeared First to Women
 01:19:01 – Church History vs. the Teaching of Jesus
 01:21:26 – Tradition, Scripture & Institutional Drift
 01:23:49 – Religion vs. Relationship
 01:25:52 – A Call Back to Participatory Christianity
 01:28:17 – Jonathan’s Resources & Closing